Walmart Expansion Approved; Mayor Calls Concerns ‘Monsters Under the Bed’
The City Council's 4-1 vote means Powegians should expect a Walmart supercenter.
The Poway City Council approved the expansion of the Walmart store Tuesday night, putting a possible end to the debate that has lingered for years.
The approval came with a 4-1 vote and amid dozens of public comments both from supporters and detractors of the project that would expand Walmart by 36,992 square feet, turning it into a “supercenter.”
The 3.5-hour meeting included an array of speakers after city staff presented the final Development Review and Environmental Impact Report.
Supporters, who included Walmart employees, outnumbered those opposed to the retailer's plan. Many employees said they appreciated their employment at the store. A manager noted that Walmart provides jobs for 350 employees, and that number would increase should a supercenter be created.
Shoppers were also present at the meeting.
Kelly Black, a Poway native now living in Escondido, said she often visits the city to do her shopping and noted a supercenter would make it easier for her to complete her tasks.
"You are taking an existing site and improving it," Black said. "I would embrace a one-stop shopping center in Poway."
Other supporters included owners of Poway-owned businesses The San Diego Watch Man, Hamburger Factory Restaurant and Poway Transmissions—who all said they embraced the retailer and encourage a supercenter.
Though the supporters present at the meeting outnumbered opponents, a number of Powegians voiced their concerns, including No on Walmart Expansion (No WE) group leader Joe St. Lucas, who said he was concerned about the possible drop in sales tax revenue with the demolition of the adjacent Tire and Lube Express to create a grocery section. Lucas said that though he shops at the store, he is concerned because grocery items aren't taxed.
Former City Council candidate Pete Babich said he feared an expansion would turn Poway Road into a "six-lane road" similar to nearby Mira Mesa Boulevard or Miramar Road.
"This decision should really be about our vision of Poway and our plan to improve it," he said. "It will kill any hope for a true Poway Town Center."
Former mayoral candidate Nick Stavros also voiced his concerns, noting that he'd support an agreement with the retailer committing to be open for a number of years—citing the closure of other major stores throughout the state.
Other concerns addressed by Powegians included the effect on nearby grocery stores and other businesses that may see a decrease in sales because of Walmart's possible lower prices.
Despite the concerns, the council approved the project.
"All I've heard tonight are monsters under the bed," said Mayor Don Higginson. "There are no monsters under the bed."
Higginson said those concerned with the supercenter hurting other businesses shouldn't be because many of the adjacent grocery stores are national chains as well.
"These businesses know what they're doing," he said. "I think it would've been tougher to look at this as raw dirt even though it's zoned this way."
Councilman John Mullin said he feared that if the supercenter wasn't approved, it would hurt Poway's economy.
"To me the risk is economic stagnation if we turn down this project," Mullin said. "It's their dollars in our city; it's a pretty straightforward land-use decision."
Councilman Dave Grosch, who led the No WE group until he was elected into office in November, was the lone "no" vote. He said he listened to "all the facts" but felt the change in Walmart trucks entering the store on Hilleary Place would hurt nearby residents.
The vote comes after years of debates as to whether the 19-year-old Walmart should expand in Poway. The revised Walmart is expected to be 179,933 square feet with several public improvements made in the surrounding area after it obtains the necessary permits, which could take up to nine months. The expansion will turn the Walmart into a supercenter, operating 24 hours a day.
In other council business:
- Council members, who act as the Redevelopment Agency's board of directors, adopted an "Enforcable Obligation Payment Schedule" before the Aug. 28 deadline, as required by Assembly Bill X1 26. The bill, which was signed into law earlier this year, eliminates redevelopment agencies but allow cities to operate under Assembly Bill X1 27 if cities pay an annual fee. City staff estimate that Poway's cost will be $10.3 million in its first year. Assistant City Manager Tina White said the schedule could be amended in the future after a public hearing.
- City Manager Penny Riley introduced the city's new planner, Rich Whipple. Whipple joined the city of Poway earlier this week and comes from Solana Beach.
Mary Lou
7:50 am on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
Once again the concerns of Poway residents are minimized and ridiculed. These people voiced serious concerns and the mayor calls it "monsters under the bed".. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the issue, it is the duty of the city council to listen to and treat all Powegians with respect. It's no wonder that so many feel too intimidated to speak at the meetings.
Babs
10:41 pm on Tuesday, August 30, 2011
We have what we voted for, albeit by small majority. higginson seems to practice the opposite of this ... ""We have to stop constantly criticizing, which is the way of the malcontent, and instead get back to the can-do attitude that made America." - Colin Powell.
annette o'brien
7:52 am on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
I'm delighted, this will help families buy their groceries without having to pay exuberant prices, especially the young couples with many children. Also for the seniors who are on S.Security. Once again the City did a great job voting for this expansion. Well Done!! and Thank You very much. Sincerely, Annette O'Brien
Tom Yarnall
8:13 am on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
My compliments to the City Council to use fact over fiction to approve the Wal-Mart expansion by a 4-1 vote. I believe councilman Grosch would have, also voted for it had he not been obligated to do otherwise.
There are two things that I believe are fairly certain. The first being that Wal-Mart would never ever consider moving to the Industrial Park. They are too smart for that. Have you seen the cashiers at Home Depot filing their nails waiting for a customer?. What will happen when Lowes moves in and is more convenient than HD?
Secondly, there will be a Super Wal-Mart in our area no matter what. Did you notice how the San Diego Council caved in when confronted with a possible referendum that would negate their vote to ban Wal-Mart? They know what the people really want.
Would you prefer a Wal-Mart in Mt Carmel or in Poway where we get the tax revenue needed to maintain and improve our infrastructure?
Let's put it to bed and not have another frivolous lawsuit, implied by Nick Stravos, and move on.
Kathie Horman
8:22 am on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
I've never had one doubt this Council would vote for approval. Walmart bought the Plowboy Market years ago (a great local market for produce and food items), for the expansion. Would not make good business sense for Walmart to buy out a competitor if they were not 100% assured the expansion was a done deal. We already have semi trucks using Midland illegally for deliveries. This will just exacerbate a problem we are already having in this area. Smart council built almost all low-income housing in South Poway and then says we need the Walmart expansion to service all the low-income housing. Nice set-up, Council. They go through themotions of putting these high-impact projects up for debate, say they are listening to concerns, and then throw out a little name calling to ridicule the opposition, and approve, approve, approve! These special interest groups keep the Council in their elected seats!
FionaM
9:11 am on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
The opposition was less than a 1,000 and their arguments were weak. The Walmart site is logical for an expansion and remodel. It gives shoppers a choice. I shop Walmart occasionally, Vons mostly and also Stater Bros. I shop based on what I need and who offers the best deal. I will not stop shopping at Vons or Stater Bros. because Walmart expands and most likely neither will other loyal customers. It's just simply time to upgrade that tired building. The argument that mainly non-Poway residents shop there is patently false. And for once Higginson's inarticulate comments were spot on - the anti-Walmart people are looking for monsters under the bed.
Joe St. Lucas
10:08 am on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
Let's get that LOWES approved and built ASAP. We need a hardware store nearby since Dixieline moved out.
San Diego Pest Solutions
1:10 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
You can bet that within 2 years most small mom and pop stores will give way to WalMart. Did you ever hear the news about the WalMart in a small town in, I believe if I remember correctly, Kentucky. Well, WalMart moved in, lowered their prices below their cost, and drove the small town businesses out of town. The small business owners later sued Walmart for unfair business practices and won. Hang on Poway. The car dealers are gone with the recession, and the small businesses will be gone with Walmart.
FionaM
1:17 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
Walmart actually contracts with small businesses to market what they manufacture. An example is a small "mom and pop" framing company that became a big mom and pop framing company when a Walmart buyer saw their product and Walmart now buys regularly from the framing company in large quantities. Walmart actually stimulates growth of other businesses in and around the centers they occupy. Walmart cannot and does not supply (contrary to belief) everything we need or want. And if you don't want to shop at Walmart - then don't. I don't care for the meat or produce at the two super centers I have shopped at. So I will continue to buy my meat at Bishers and my produce at Henry's. It's that simple.
Tom Yarnall
1:47 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
Long before Wal-Mart moved to town Mom and Pop stores in Poway opened and closed like a screen door in a hurricane. It's the nature of small stores. Unless they have something extra to offer the folks they will struggle. Those who can make a contribution should welcome the expansion. I remember reading about a successful restauranteur that was asked why he puts his restaurants in the middle of restaurant row. He said he does so because that's where the people are.
Small stores will get more exposure and if they have a product or service that is in demand their business will increase.
It's called survival of the fittest.
MelB
1:20 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
I find it funny that everyone complains about the small business owners being impacted by Super Walmart when the only real difference between a Wal-Mart and a Super Wal-Mart is the groceries, plus more big box items like Costco sells. Small business owners were impacted when Wal-Mart first came to Poway. And did anyone notice that Target is renovating and adding groceries to their store? Why can Target add groceries and become a Super Target w/ no opposition? I think the main issue is people just don't like Wal-Mart.
Joe St. Lucas
8:32 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
One difference from Target is that Target expanded into their garden shop area, they didn't expand beyond their building footprint. (and technically it's not going to be big enough to be classified a "super" target.) If Walmart wanted to expand into their garden shop, auto shop, etc., they could do that without having it be anyone else's business. It was when they wanted to expand the building footprint that approvals were needed.
Let's pretend you have a house and want to build an additional room onto it. You own the property, right, so who's business is it if you want to build right up to the fence, into the setbacks? Well, you need city approval for building into setbacks as well as permits and maybe a council meeting to approve it. Same w. walmart.
Tom Yarnall
9:28 pm on Wednesday, August 24, 2011
I'm sure Joe is correct in saying Wal-Mart Jr. does not need a permit to modify their interior so they can offer cheap groceries, but by doing so there will probably be an increase in traffic in the area. Have you ever tried to find a parking space there during peak hours?
It seems that an EIR for one who adds negative environmental factors ought to be required by another who does the same thing, footprint change or no footprint change. On second thought let's not go through that again so please ignore my comments..
Joe St. Lucas
10:06 am on Thursday, August 25, 2011
Tom, the EIR says that there is NOT a parking problem because it meets the city standards, and the expanded walmart store will lose 80 parking spots and STILL be within city standards, even though anecdotal evidence shows otherwise. So there's NO problem with the parking, the city says so.
Now, trying to find a parking spot at target during the holidays is just as fun, I wind up having to park by outback and walk to the store. I have no idea what the parking will be like once they open the grocery section. There's always empty spots in front of albertsons also.
Tom Yarnall
5:48 pm on Thursday, August 25, 2011
Thanks Joe. I was not speaking of Walmart, but Walmart Jr.(Target) Since there won't bean an EIR for Target we will never know what the experts would come up with.
In any case I am saturated so why don't we move on to something less controversial like term limits? :))